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 Post subject: Your ideal "survival" house
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:56 pm 
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Say you had the means to start from scratch with the opportunity to design your very own survival house. How would you design it?

The purpose of this house is to get you through the shtf scenarios that are most likely to happen in the near future. Something you would live in right now and not relocate to in event of collapse.

Where would you build it? Would you include things like: windows, garage, underground levels, fenced in, steel doors, etc?

I'm not saying that you would have unlimited funds to do this but realistic things you would have designed and why.

I would want a single level house with the following criteria:

- heated by a wood/pellet stove
- gravity fed water collection and plumbing system
- lots of land (some forest area along with a nice stream and some open area as well)
- open land for a garden
- garage/shed for ATV, snowmobile, skiis, tool, etc
- skylights
- well insulated
- relatively isolated and/or easy to defend
- yet close enough to a town to purchase neccesities and supplies

things like that...

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 Post subject: Re: Your ideal "survival" house
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:07 pm 
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Here's a place that someone might be interested in: http://www.survivalrealty.com/2008/09/the-bear-den.html

The Bear Den

Strategically located in the awesome San Juan mountains of Southwest Colorado, this patented steel-reinforced concrete earth home was built to withstand almost any natural or man-made disaster you can name. It is more secure, safe, and functional than any conventional house could ever be, yet still has a level of comfort that one might not expect to find in an underground home.

The adjoining vacant 3 acre parcel is also available.

JUST REDUCED $50,000.... NOW ONLY $450,000

There are many pictures and lots of information at http://www.survivalproperty.com

Some years ago, the owner of this property had a hunting cabin in another part of Colorado. Beautiful, yes, but the wood construction posed numerous problems. Several "near-miss" incidents made the owner realize how vulnerable the cabin was to any number of disasters and threats. A winter storm, which blew the front door open, might have caused the water pipes to freeze and break, flooding both the upper and lower levels, resulting in many thousands of dollars damage, had it not been discovered in time. A forest fire, which started when a tree fell on the above-ground power line leading to the cabin, came frighteningly close to the wood structure and to within just a few feet of the above-ground propane tanks. A hailstorm necessitated a new roof, a new paint job, and major repairs to the siding. The large front glass windows were spared from damage, but nevertheless were extremely vulnerable. And finally, when the cabin was broken into and many valuable antiques were stolen, the owner decided to look for a safer kind of structure for their retreat, and a better, more remote location.
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After spending 2 ½ years studying every kind of alternative home construction, everything from earthships made out of spare tires, to rammed-earth construction, to monolithic domes, he ultimately realized there was only one kind of construction that would afford him the kind of security they wanted: an earth home (made with Formwork's patented thin-shell concrete construction technique). The house he finally built is not just any earth home. It is what has come to be known in the industry as a "secure home." It is an unparalleled model of the ultimate secure home. Its many features will amaze you.

This patented steel-reinforced concrete earth sheltered structure, properly called a thin-shell dome, is built to withstand almost any natural or man-made disaster you can name. And that's not just an idle promise. These buildings have withstood tornadoes, hurricanes, and earthquakes - some measuring close to 7.0 on the Richter scale - and in every case they have come away with no structural damage at all. Unlike monolithic domes, and all other types of home construction, only Formwork's concrete domes can be completely buried deep underground.

The house has 2472 square feet, with an additional 800 square feet in the attached 24' x 36' underground garage. The main floor of the house consists of a large living room, two bedrooms, two baths, a kitchen, pantry, and laundry closet. Upstairs is a loft and two multi-purpose storage/sleeping rooms. The house currently has ten beds (that is, beds, futons, and sleeping bunks) in seven different rooms. There is lots of additional space for other cots or bedrolls. It would be very accommodating for an entire extended family during a prolonged national emergency or global crisis. The safe room also has a ¾ bath with shower. A 22' long x 6' wide hallway leads to the garage. This hall is lined on one side with 18" deep shelf units, providing a considerable amount of quick-access storage. The other wall of this hall is a convenient place to store larger items, such as skis, bicycles, or a vacuum cleaner, that wouldn't fit on the shelves. Additionally, a large storage attic is found above the garage.

The living room's high-domed ceiling gives the room an open, spacious feeling. A custom steel stairway leads from the loft to a cupola perched on top of the house. Light from the cupola gives the same effect as a skylight, but without any loss in security. The four windows in this "lookout" allow for a 360-degree view of the surrounding property.

"Energy efficient" implies extra insulation and double pane glass windows to most people, but this type of earth home has proven itself to be the ultimate in energy efficiency/heat retention. With no heat at all, the inside temperature will not drop below 50 degrees F., even in extreme, prolonged winter conditions. For comfort, however, there is a Harmon wood/coal freestanding stove, along with a back-up propane heater. In the summer months, the house temperature stays pleasantly cool.

Every appliance throughout the house was specially manufactured for use in solar electric homes. The kitchen has a Sun Frost refrigerator/freezer, a Peerless propane range with "no-glow-bar" oven, and a Staber 2000 clothes washer, while the garage has a chest-style freezer.

A 1,000 gallon underground propane tank is extremely well hidden and protected from potential vandals. The generator, water heater, kitchen range and oven, wall heater, and clothes dryer all use propane, but the large amount of stored propane should supply all of these appliances for a very long time. In an all-out national crisis, it would be a simple matter to heat water with the back-up wood-fired water heater, and to dry clothes with an old fashioned hand wringer and clothesline. Also, as a back-up to the propane range, there is a Stanley-Waterton wood stove and range.

Joel Skousen, the renowned expert on secure homes, and author of the book "The Secure Home", and editor/publisher of the excellent newsletter "The World Affairs Brief", has laid down a list of what he considers to be essential for self-sufficiency and security. The essentials are: an independent water supply as well as a back-up supply, alternate electrical power, energy efficient appliances, alternate forms of heat, more than one communication option, adequate storage facilities, including cool storage for long-term food storage, fire-resistant construction and the ability to fight a fire inside the house, multiple forms of security and intruder detection, a high-security safe room/fallout shelter, above normal fortification of the house and grounds and a remote location. Joel states that very few people actually achieve 100% of these elements. It's safe to say, this house has it all!

Even though Joel listed remote location last, it is, perhaps, the most important criteria. So important an issue that he wrote a separate book about it entitled, "Strategic Relocation". To build a secure home in the city or even in the suburbs would likely be self-defeating. If however, the secure home is built in a remote location, it then, and only then, can be considered a true retreat. The two, a secure home and a remote location, go hand in hand.

Following the tragic 9/11 attacks, a renewed interest in civil defense and personal preparedness alike has occurred that is unrivalled since the start of the Cold War following WWII. Since then, the need for owning a secure home has taken on a new urgency. For the past two or more years, the news has been full of scary reports about the possibility of bio-terrorism and resulting pandemic.

More recently, there have been reports about the possibility of nuclear terrorism on American soil using suitcase nukes. On December 5th, 2004, CNN had a special documentary about the inevitability of nuclear terrorism. When the controlled secular media is reporting on such a controversial topic as this with such candor, it should be taken very seriously.

The Center for Disease Control, along with the World Health Organization, the Department of Health and Human Services, and the Department of Homeland Security have been repeatedly warning us that another flu pandemic, worse than ever before, is bound to occur. In fact, they are now routinely using the word pandemic, instead of epidemic.

To put this prediction into proper perspective it is important to realize that the great Spanish Influenza epidemic of 1918-1919 killed well over 20 million people worldwide, more people in one year than the Black Plague killed in the entire four years of its outbreak.

The government officials are not only worried about a flu pandemic, but also about the possibility that a major smallpox outbreak will happen. In fact, they are so worried about smallpox that, in June of 2001, they conducted a major simulation of a terrorist smallpox attack against 3 American cities. It was named Dark Winter, and it lived up to its name.

The results of this exercise were grim, to put it mildly. According to the National Security Council, the worst case scenario was that within seven weeks, one million Americans would be dead, many millions others would be sick, and the disease would have spread to 25 states and to 13 foreign countries.

One can only imagine what the results of the Dark Winter exercise would have been if it was done with such an airborn killer virus, instead of just smallpox.

Many scientists and physicians are telling us that the diseases which have in the past been primarily found in the Third World, or underdeveloped countries, such as the filoviruses Marburg and Ebola, are poised to soon enter the West. When this does happen, newspaper headlines and reports will no longer ignore them nor treat them so casually. With population growth, unprecedented immigration, increased global travel, and the likelihood that terrorists and rouge nations alike now have many weaponized microbes in their arsenals, the possibility of a major international pandemic looms ever closer on the horizon.

So what does the future hold for us with the possibility of future plagues, nuclear terrorism, and even nuclear war? The owner definitely doesn't know the answer to this question. He does know, however, that his house would be a very safe place for self-quarantine during such an outbreak or event. One reason why is because it is equipped with a genuine Swiss-made Luwa nuclear, biological, chemical air filter that will effectively filter out all known bacteriological agents, all known viruses, and even radioactive fallout.

A secure home like this is the wave of the future, and would be a very wise investment, both practically and financially. A house of such outstanding design, quality, function, and security doesn't appear on the open real estate market very often, if at all. While nobody knows for sure how much time is left before things go awry, one thing is certain; it is better to be prepared a year or more too early, than to be a single day too late.

The chance to own this premier retreat is truly a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity (and once-in-a-lifetime opportunities don't come along very often).

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 Post subject: Re: Your ideal "survival" house
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:18 am 
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Wood stove, and a large below ground basement are a must for starters. Beyond that, well water with an alternative means of power (solar, wind) would be a great plus!


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 Post subject: Re: Your ideal "survival" house
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:28 am 
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My ideal house would have a large below ground basement, wood stove, and setup for capturing rainwater into barrels for my garden. In addition, I wouldn't mind having a bit of land (with wild game), and possibly a backup power system. I'm saving up for a setup like this- the only trouble is finding a good location!

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 Post subject: Re: Your ideal "survival" house
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:57 am 
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Ideal home would be an earth bermed "Monolithic Dome" home. As the house is earth bermed, from
most angles it would look like a hill or part of the hill it was on. the front, glass section could be hardened and camoflaged

Heat: radiant floor hearter powered by the highefficient fireplace (although being earth
bermed you could probably heat it with candles)

Water: a cystern system with a water catch

Location: sitting on 20 acres,accessable to town at the end of a dirt road. the road leading up to the house would be camoflaged as well

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 Post subject: Re: Your ideal "survival" house
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:31 pm 
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I agree a monolithic dome setup is ideal for many reasons, but what design elements can you incorporate to ensure that the external air-intake is properly secured? That would hold true for the fireplace flue as well. Even if well camoflaged, the intake/flue would still be open to possible sabotage ... a major drawback unless you had the manpower to maintain 24/7 oversight of the property. The other mandatory requirement (IMO) is a secondary evacuation point other than the lone front door in case of fire or other calamity.

I guess you could incorporte another structure on top and use plenums and the chimney from that building (plus allow for an above ground stronghold), but that kinda defeats part of the reasons for a monolithic dome which is a low visibility dwelling. Not to mention it would be cost prohibitive.

I'd like to own a MD one day, but I'm stuck on this particular issue ...maybe I'm just over-thinking the problem. Has anybody done this or have any ideas?


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 Post subject: Re: Your ideal "survival" house
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:10 pm 
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My bad Sarky ... I thought were were discussing a structure that was completely covered with soil except for the front access point, which would require air-intake/exhaust ports of some type.

Monolithic Homes can be viewed here at http://www.monolithic.com/.


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 Post subject: Re: Your ideal "survival" house
PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:23 pm 
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My idea of an ideal home

In the Missouri Ozarks on a lake, Black Hills country of Wyoming by a stream, or off the I-80 corridor in the high desert of Northern Nevada with several deep wells

25 – 50 miles from small town, 100+ miles from small city, 250 miles from major city

Totally off grid (underground-pipe-sourced heat pump, w/outdoor wood/coal furnace w/PV system for pumps/fans) (genset, 6kw PV power system)(satellite TV, Internet, Telephone)

Defensive landscaping, fencing, and road access

Single story, triple wall construction (reinforced concrete block wall/insulation/5’ earth/reinforced concrete block wall)equipped for full CBRNE attack defense (air filter system/firing ports/remote cameras/road approach alarm/armored cupola/prepared firing position outside), w/septic system, guttering system w/cisterns, water well w/solar pump, storage tanks & pressure pump. Full basement, underground PF 10,000 shelter connected to basement with escape tunnel.

earth sheltered sun room enclosed swimming pool, outdoor kitchen,

Large garden
Large greenhouse
Nut & fruit tree orchard
Vineyard
Blackberry brambles
Strawberry patch
Melon patch
Garden plot
20 to 40 acre stand of coppicing Ash/Hickory/White Oak firewood trees
Large wildwood lot for wild animal resources

One more opinion. Feel free to ask questions or make comments.

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 Post subject: Re: Your ideal "survival" house
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:02 pm 
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I'll take this thread into town. I'd like an old, brick, industrial building in a bedroom community within commuting distance to an urban area. I'd want a vehicle bay, a perimeter fence with razor wire, closed circuit TV, and a roof top garden with water collection cisterns. I'd want an internal bastion / safe room. I'd want at least one 2nd or 3rd story window on each side so that it could turned into a firing position. I'm thinking an old red brick warehouse or small factory would do the trick.

Just looking around in Wikimedia commons, this old Spaghetti factory in Seattle will give you an idea of what I'm thinking:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Seattle_-_Old_Spaghetti_Factory_01.jpg

Even better, I'd like an old firehouse like this one in Vicksburg, MS:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vicksburg3Sept2008ConstitutionFirehouse1870.jpg

That would have the vehicle bay and everything! ;)

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