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MattyBrinks
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Post subject: How to barter after an economic collapse Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:46 pm |
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Step 1 Develop your survival skills and knowledge. Your skills and knowledge may be your biggest asset when it comes to bartering in an economic collapse or societal breakdown. Can you shoot deer? Identify edible wild plants? Cut and chop firewood? Think of skills you have that could help yourself and others in dire times. Learn as much as you can, now. Step 2 Acquire hand tools and equipment. Tools of all types, from shovels and pickaxes to ross-cut saws and clippers, will be like gold when they are needed. Step 3 Purchase extras of essential items. Stock up painlessly by getting an extra pack of waterproof matches or case of soap each time you shop. Personal care items, nonperishable foods and medical supplies are also great barter items. Step 4 Buy extra tobacco, alcohol and chocolate for bartering purposes. Alcohol is not just a luxury--it is used as an antiseptic and preservative in times of need. Chocolate packs energy and nutrients into a small, tasty morsel. Choose darker chocolates for the most nutritive value. Step 5 Acquire vegetable seeds, salt and spices, sturdy footwear and other important items. Surplus military items, such as wool blankets and mess kits, are relatively cheap now and buying a few extra will give you extra bartering capacity. Step 6 Learn the true current value of basic items, realizing that original cost may become irrelevant. Salt, if scarce, will be worth more than you paid while luxury items may be nearly worthless. Plasma TVs don't look so great when the electric grid is down. Step 7 Recognize your weaknesses and needs so when it is time to barter in an economic collapse, you have a good idea of what services or goods you want in exchange for yours. http://www.ehow.com/how_2218968_Barter-Economic-Collapse.html
_________________ Please don't take my avatar to seriously. I'm really not a bible thumping armageddon prophet.
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noacresnomule
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Post subject: Re: How to barter after an economic collapse Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:51 pm |
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Can we start a more extensive list of barter items to acquire? Here's my list:
Essentials: common first aid items (aspirin, Tylenol, Band-Aids, etc.); toilet paper; bottled water; matches; bottled lamp oil; string/twine; duct tape; common sizes of nails; pens; sewing kit (with straight & safety pins). FOOD ITEMS: powdered milk, powdered eggs; flour; yeast;baking soda;salt; oil; Bisquick-type baking mixes; canned fruit & vegetables; canned baked beans; canned meats; pasta; rice; cornstarch; fruit juice (not frozen!); more bottled water (in order to use many of the above foods); peanut butter; jam; sugar (brown & white).
NICE TO HAVE: Candy; gum; smoking items; liquor; chocolate; feminine hygiene items; condoms;do-it-yourself books; common, but useful, sturdy fabric yardage; shoelaces; crossword puzzle books (cheapos from $ store); winter gloves, hats, scarves; condiments/spices; ready-made, shelf-stable foods; baby forumula/bottles; make-up; hair gel; hairpins; brushes & combs; plastic sheeting; batteries (all sizes); cheap flashlights with the batteries;board games/puzzles; motor oil; pet food; paper plates, napkins, cups, plastic cutlery; XL, unisex hoodies, sweatshirts, sweatpants; socks; tissues; oral thermometers; garden tools; vegetable seeds; wire of common sizes; trash bags; kitty litter; plastic buckets; pots/pans; firewood; camping stoves with the heat source required. Also, you could barter cuttings from fruit plants, etc. that you grow. Vegetables/fruit you have grown; jerky you have dried. May be problems with legality at first, but I think that'll go away after awhile--nobody will care. Maps of the locale; Swiss Army knives; bullets of all calibres; Popcorn; dish detergent; bleach; soap; hand sanitizer; paper towels; pots to start seedlings in; tarps; funnels; firestarters; propane (grills, heat, emergency heaters); tea/coffee, powdered creamer; cocoa.
ALSO: I'd get ahold of silver, gold and copper bullion. I buy mine in 1 gram bars, and troy ounce bars. Reason: you can "make change" with the smaller ones (why buy a dozen eggs with an ounce of expensive gold, when 1 gram or 2 of silver would do?). Also keep some sterling silver and real gold jewelry on hand, following the same principle--earrings, pins, rings, then larger , more valuable pieces.
_________________ WTSHTF: Gather it up, and use it for a GREAT fertilizer for your survival garden! 
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MattyBrinks
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Post subject: Re: How to barter after an economic collapse Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:51 pm |
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_________________ Please don't take my avatar to seriously. I'm really not a bible thumping armageddon prophet.
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Jerry D Young
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Post subject: Re: How to barter after an economic collapse Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:24 pm |
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My thoughts on barter and trade
Never show more than necessary for a given trade. Never let on like you have more. Only trade alcohol, weapons, and ammunition to those you know will not be a problem for you later. Try to barter skills and knowledge rather than goods. They don’t run out. Try to barter the use of tools and equipment rather than trading them away. Try to make trades in neutral areas or a designated barter/trade meeting. Make sure you aren’t followed back home. Not all the items/skills listed will be of much value early into the event. It could be three to five years or more for some of the items to become valuable.
Some of what I'm acquiring for barter (No, I don’t have all of these items. Yet.)
Scales to get agreed upon weights of items commercial scale (±500#) commercial scale (±100#) commercial scale (±10#) commercial scale (±16oz)
small containers for measured out items (spices, meds, etc.)(really small zip-locks)
1.0 oz gold coins 0.1 oz gold coins 40 count rolls silver quarters 50 count rolls silver dimes blank barter slips
200ml bottles 190 proof Everclear smokeless tobacco 2 oz boxes tobacco booklets cigarette papers smoking pipes small boxes matches butane lighter fuel Zippo lighter fuel lighter flints lighter wicks disposable lighters straight razors w/strop, soap, & cup shaving soap Q-tips
playing cards dice
candle/oil lamp wick Coleman lantern mantles Crank flashlights
2 oz jars instant coffee 16 count boxes teabags 2 oz jars bouillon cubes tubs add-water-only drink mix
1 pound boxes sugar various spices 2 oz boxes salt 2 oz cans pepper 5 oz cans milk 4 oz cans cocoa 2 oz bars chocolate candy 8 oz bags hard candy (individually wrapped)
4 oz cans Vienna sausage/potted meat 12 oz cans roast beef 7 oz cans Spam (or 12oz)(or Treet) 6 oz cans tuna 10 oz cans soup (heavy on the meat types)
16 oz bags rice 16 oz bags beans/lentils aspirin pain killer acetaminophen pain killer multi-vitamin OTC reading glasses OTC UVA/UVB resistant sunglasses Cheap wide-brimmed straw hats
small boxes tampons/sanitary napkins reusable sanitary napkins
reusable cotton diapers diaper pins
clothes pins
wooden pencils/ink pens small note books legal pads
50 count bottles water purification tablets
6”-12” candles boxes strike anywhere kitchen matches
rolls toilet paper bars soap (Ivory, Lava, Fels Naptha laundry soap) hair combs/brushes disposable razors toothbrushes boxes baking soda shoe and boot laces
packets safety pins packets of sewing needles spools of thread
mousetraps rat traps fly swatters
jersey gloves cotton/leather work gloves insulated gloves socks
tubes silicone sealant tubes Shoe Goo/Goop tubes JB Weld duct tape mechanic’s wire electrical tape friction tape rubber tape sheet plastic divided buckets with a variety of nails, screws, bolts, nuts, and washers sealed cans of welding rods (6011 and/or 7018 1/8”) variety of brazing rods cans of brazing flux
regular canning lids wide mouth canning lids Tattler reusable canning lids Tattler reusable canning lid rubber rings P-38/P-51 can openers
1-lb propane cylinders 10-lb bags charcoal briquettes
solar 12-volt battery chargers solar AAA, AA, C, D, 9-volt battery charger rechargeable batteries 20 each AAA, AA, C, D, 9-volt
#10 cans heirloom seeds Coffee plant seed Tobacco plant seed Tea plant seed Poppy plant seed
Biodiesel production chemicals Soap making chemicals
500-round bricks .22 LR RF cartridges 5-round boxes .410/20 GA shells single units M6 Scout/Savage 24F/Remington SPR-94 O/U .22 RF/.410 or 20 gauge combos
Here are some examples of Tradesman’s Tools that could be stockpiled and either used and the product/service bartered, or their USE bartered out. One wouldn’t barter away the tools that bring in the food. (Again, I don’t have all the items or skills.) ±500# scale ±100# scale ±10# scale ±16oz scale
Tailor/Seamstress tools Sewing machine Serger Sewing basket (needles, thimbles, thread, measuring tape, seam ripper, scissors, shears, marking chalk, straight edge, pins, neck magnifying glass, etc.) bolts of cloth, patterns, spare needles, pins, chalk, thread, buttons, zippers, snaps, etc) Treadle type sewing machine (Janome 712T) weaving looms >1,000 watt generator
Food processing tools Grain grinders, solar dehydrators, butchering tools, manual meat slicer, manual meat grinder, sausage stuffer, stuffing tubes, jerky shooter, meat smoker, water purifier
barbers tools scissors, combs, hair brushes, dusting brush, broom, dust pan, chair, neck apron, razor, shaving cup, shaving soap, towels
ammunition reloader’s tools Dillion progressive tool w/primary caliber dies RCBS press with common caliber dies Bullet casting equipment lead black powder making tools & screens
laundry tools Staber washing machine laundry soap bleach clothes lines w/poles, stakes & clothes pins water heater (kettle w/tripod) water tank 12v pump & battery drain line James washer w/wringer 2+ washtubs >1,000 watt generator
entertainment tools band instruments projection TV TV projector Lap-top computer DVD disk player VHS tape player Chairs Karaoke machine w/cd-g’s Lighting system Sound system >1,500 watt generator Battery bank, solar panels, and inverter protective bullet resistant face for TV’s if used Classic books for storyteller to read
home canning equipment & supplies firewood cutting tools knife/edged tool sharpening tools printer’s/newspaper publisher’s tools butcher/meat cutter’s tools meat processors tools (sausage, etc.) tanner’s tools milk processors tools (cheese, etc.) baker’s tools & supplies bath house/shower room tools candle maker’s tools & supplies gardener’s tools mechanic’s tools machinist’s tools - Smithy Granite 1340 Industrial Max metalworking all-in-one machine woodworker’s tools - Shopsmith Mark V woodworking all-in-one machine blacksmith’s tools - Oxygen accumulator, acetylene generator plumber’s tools lumber making tools - portable sawmill electrician’s tools carpenter’s tools roofer’s tools stonemason’s tools primitive building tools cobbler/shoe maker’s tools soap maker’s tools brewer/wine maker’s tools distillery tools miller’s tools spinner & weaver’s tools (looms) teaching tools and supplies K-12 smelter/foundry/metal worker’s tools sheep sheering tools papermaking tools rope, cordage, and net making tools millwright’s tools farm tools (prepare, sow, cultivate, harvest) biodiesel equipment & supplies wood gas generator equipment & supplies charcoal making tools black powder making tools reference/do-it-yourself library (books/magazines/CD-ROMs/DVDs)(never let the media out of your control)
Here are the skill sets I think most likely to be needed. (I only have a few of them myself)
Alternative energy specialist Ammunition re-loader Appliance repairman Assayer Baker Banker Barber Basket maker Bathhouse/shower room operator Beekeeper Bicycle Repairman Biodiesel maker Blackpowder maker Blacksmith Botanist Brew master Brick maker Bullet caster Butcher/meat processor Candle maker Carpenter Cartridge maker Cartwright Chandler Charcoal burner Cheese maker Chemist Chimney sweep Cobbler/shoe maker Coffin maker Cook Cooper (barrel maker) Coppersmith Dentist Distiller, drinking alcohol Distiller, fuel alcohol Doctor Dog trainer Electrician Electronics tech Farmer Farm hand Farrier Firewood purveyor Fisherman Food canner/processor Furniture maker Gardener Gatherer (wild plants, useful rocks and minerals) Glass maker Goatherd Goldsmith/silversmith Gravedigger Gunpowder maker Gunsmith/gun maker Handyman Harvester/picker Heavy equipment operator Herbalist/mineralist Horse trainer/wrangler Hunter/trapper Ice purveyor/harvester/maker Knife maker Knife sharpener Knitter/crocheter Laundress/laundry room operator Leather worker Librarian Logger/forester/sawyer Lumber maker Machinist Mechanic Metal worker Metallurgist Midwife Milk maid Milk processor Miller Millwright Miner Mulcher/composter/manure collector Net maker Nurse Optician (eyeglass maker) Orchardman/arborist Paper maker Peace Officer Pedi-cab driver Pest control specialist Pharmacist Plumber Postman Pottery maker Primitive building specialist Printer/newspaperman Radio Operator Rancher Ranch hand Repairman Roofer Rope/cordage maker Sail maker Sailor (Boatswain) Salt maker Salvage specialist Security guard Shake/shingle maker Sheep sheerer Shepherd Shipwright/boat builder Shoemaker Skill At Arms instructor Small engine mechanic Smelter/foundryman Soap maker Soldier Spice purveyor Spinner/Weaver Stonemason/brick layer Sugar maker Surveyor Tailor/seamstress Tanner Teacher Thatcher Tinker Tire repairman Tool & die maker Trader/Wagoner Trapper Truck driver Undertaker Veterinarian Watch/clock repairman/maker Weaver Welder Well driller Wheelwright Winemaker Wood gas equipment maker Woodworker
A few skills that won’t be in high demand, but would be a good secondary skill
Artist Bookbinder Candy maker Comedian Dye maker Entertainer Historian Ink maker Judge/arbitrator Karaoke operator Maid Massage therapist Musician Physicist Scribe Secretary Storyteller Toy & game maker
Some things I probably won’t get for barter for this reason: If there is a large die off the items will be available to pick up all sorts of places. If there isn’t one, they will still be available through normal channels.
Knives, especially ‘Cheap’ knives Clothing Tools (Yes, have a really good set for yourself, and possibly one to barter the use of, but keep the tools) Cooking equipment Fishing gear
_________________ Jerry D Young
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